Cindy Gallop is ace.

If you’re familiar with her work, you’ll already know that.

If not, you soon will.

She’s worked with, studied under and helped nurture some of the best in the advertising business.

After joining ad agency Bartle Bogle Hegarty (BBH) in 1989, she went on to launch their US branch.

And these days she’s leading the social sex revolution by changing the way people talk about sex, as well as calling out gender biases in the ad industry and supporting those who want to change it.

Her TEDtalk has been watched millions of times (even though it was banned on their site until recently) and she speaks at events around the world inspiring thousands of people to make a difference.

As I say, she’s a bit ace.

So it’s an absolute pleasure to have her as my guest for EP.20 of The All Good Copy Podcast.

We spoke about her creative process, why there isn’t enough change happening in the ad industry and the one thing she recommends you get more of if you want to be creative.

We also talked about her apartment being used by P Diddy, her biggest influences in the industry and the challenges she faces in changing the perception of social sex.

It all makes for a great listen and I hope you thoroughly enjoy it.

If you do it would be appreciated enormously if you could take the time to leave a nice review on iTunes. Seriously – thank you if you take the time. And thanks to those who already have.

First, though, you can listen to the episode here:

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Cindy Gallop is a founder, consultant and activist. For over a decade she worked at BBH and set up their US office. She has since founded MakeLoveNotPorn and IfWeRanTheWorld. She now lives in The Sky Apartment in New York. Find out more about her by visiting her website here.

Glenn Fisher is an author, speaker and copywriter. His first book, The Art of the Click is an Amazon bestseller and was shortlisted for the Business Book Awards 2019. It’s published by Harriman House and is available here.

You can find out more about MakeLoveNotPorn here.

You can find out more about The 3% Movement here.

You can see Cindy’s TED Talk launching MakeLoveNotPorn here.

You can find the different 3% Conference talks Cindy talks about on their YouTube channel here.

You can watch P Diddy and others dancing in Cindy’s old apartment here.

Dave Trott’s most recent book, Creative Blindness, is available on Amazon here.

Ayoade on Ayoade by Richard Ayoade is available on Amazon here.

This episode is the last in this second series…

But don’t worry.

Pablo and I will be back with series three before too long. And we really do have some wonderful guests to introduce you to.

In the meantime, if you can help me out by leaving a nice positive review of the podcast on iTunes, that would be ace.

And please do share the episode on social media far and wide. By doing so you help me more than you can know.


Glenn Fisher is an author, copywriter, podcaster and speaker. After a number of years working in the local council, he left to become a copywriter and founded, a free online resource for direct response copywriters and marketers. For over a decade he worked with The Agora, a multi-million pound international financial publisher before leaving in 2018 to write freelance. His first book, The Art of the Click, has quickly become an Amazon bestseller and was shortlisted for the Business Book Awards. He is the host of the popular All Good Copy Podcast and regularly writes and consults for numerous businesses, brands and ad agencies. He lives happily with his partner Ruth and dog Pablo on the east coast of England.

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