A writer and a designer walk into a bar…

Actually, it’s a room.

In London.

Near Oxford Street.

There is no bar. Just forget about the bar, OK?

It’s actually the headquarters of the DMA.

The writer is Debi Bester and the designer is Hiten Bhatt.

Sure, they both go to bars now and then. But not today.

Today they’ve walked into this particular room to talk to me about creativity, collaboration and change. And it makes for a great conversation.

You can hear it for yourself right here:

NOTES ON THE PODCAST

Debi Bester is a writer and the chief changemaker at Department of Change, a London-based agency founded to help business change the way they interact with customers. You can find out more about Debi and the Department of Change on their website here.

Hiten Bhatt is the creative director at RAPP. He spent over a decade working at Ogilvy and has more recently launched the design initiative Command Shift Design. You can find out more about Hiten by visiting his website here.

Glenn Fisher is an author, copywriter, podcaster, and speaker. His first book, The Art of the Click is an Amazon bestseller and was shortlisted for the Business Book Awards 2019. It’s published by Harriman House and available now on Amazon here.

Find out more about the DMA’s Campaign for Great British Creativity here.

You can find out more and get tickets for Creative North here.

You can get tickets for All Good Copy Podcast Live in Hull here.

Look Who’s Back by Timur Vermes is available on Amazon here.

Oracle Night by Paul Auster is available on Amazon here.

Catch up on The All Good Copy Podcast here.

P.S. Did you know dogs can rap? No? Well, mine can. In fact, he’s recorded a special ‘copy rap’ to open this latest episode. Have a listen here. And my apologies in advance for his foul language.

P.P.S. There is no bar. Please forget about the bar.

Author

Glenn Fisher is an author, copywriter, podcaster and speaker. After a number of years working in the local council, he left to become a copywriter and founded AllGoodCopy.com, a free online resource for direct response copywriters and marketers. For over a decade he worked with The Agora, a multi-million pound international financial publisher before leaving in 2018 to write freelance. His first book, The Art of the Click, has quickly become an Amazon bestseller and was shortlisted for the Business Book Awards. He is the host of the popular All Good Copy Podcast and regularly writes and consults for numerous businesses, brands and ad agencies. He lives happily with his partner Ruth and dog Pablo on the east coast of England.

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